This interview reminds me of a book by a famed environmentalist, "Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All" by Michael Shellenberger (https://www.harpercollins.com/products/apocalypse-never-michael-shellenberger?variant=32129869152290). It talks about how environmental alarmism is hurting 3rd World and indigenous groups that rely on using the environment to live. He also writes about the same thing that Cliff talks about - that there will not be an environmental apocalypse.
This interview reminds me of a book by a famed environmentalist, "Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All" by Michael Shellenberger (https://www.harpercollins.com/products/apocalypse-never-michael-shellenberger?variant=32129869152290). It talks about how environmental alarmism is hurting 3rd World and indigenous groups that rely on using the environment to live. He also writes about the same thing that Cliff talks about - that there will not be an environmental apocalypse.